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Mykel
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posted November 10, 2003 09:50 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I downloaded the AN1x soundset, and have only been able to get 1 sound from it so far to be in true polyphony, the others, when i switch them from AN(Layer)+AWM to AN(Poly)+AWM, it puts a grand piano sound in instead of doubling the same waveform (I assume this is how it would work). When I check what waveforms are being used in the OSC menu, there are no names or catalog numbers, only the AN heading. Anyone experience this?
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J. Westwood
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posted November 11, 2003 12:25 AM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Welcome to the wonderful world of AN Mykel. Yes, most 'analogs' of old are monophonic. AN can actually be 'duophonic' (2 notes). AN is a whole different synth engine apart from AWM, and VL. It's 'virtually' like a grand ol' CS30 or SH101 within all the screens and numbers.

So, AN is 'duophonic', VL is strictly 'monophonic', AWM and FDSP are 'polyphonic'.

As for mixing with AWMs, yes you can. But your problem of not getting right or 'balanced' sounds maybe due to the fact the WAVES aren't loaded to supplement the AWMs? It'll take awhile to wrap your head around all this, but you'll get there.


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Mykel
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posted November 11, 2003 01:18 AM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah I figured that the waveforms were just missing, but I'm pretty sure none were included in the file, and the sounds all sound very... different. When I switch them and go back, they sound different again. As I'm sure that was confusing to read, I'll try to rephrase. To start, they sound very analog-y and dont sound like they are using standard EX5 waves, but when i change modes and then go back to them, they sound different than before, as if the EX5 replaced the waves with ones it could find. So it seems that the sounds work by generating what they know the waveform would be, if it were there? I hope I haven't lost you.

Back to what I asked before, even duophonic would be noticeable over monophonic, whereas I've only been able to get them to mono. As for VL, why do they give you the option unfer "VF Mono/Poly" of putting it into poly if it's strictly mono?


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J. Westwood
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posted November 11, 2003 08:36 AM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, now seeing the vastness of the EX firsthand now, best I can say is read that manual to learn more about AN. As for the 'changing WAVES', in the OSC page where it says PRE-001-G.Piano, highlight 'PRE' and rotate dial. It'll change to RAM or FLS (If you have Flash installed?) Once on RAM, you can scroll through the waves that came on disk (if any?), or use personal waves stored on Flash (if you gots? )

Eventually you'll see and hear what many of these voices are aiming for when you solo on them, or run them through an arpeggiator, etc. And you may gain enough knowledge to start making your own soon. But the EX5 is certainly no simple Casio Portasound! I've had mine 5-6 years now and I'm STILL learning things on it!

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Derek Cook
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posted November 11, 2003 02:27 PM     Profile for Derek Cook   Email Derek Cook     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If you mean the AN1x soundset from our downloads page, that is most likely the AN1x factory set I created using ex.factory, which has the ability to import AN1x voice banks.

If that's the case, then this voice set is all monophonic voices.

AN-LAYER voices are monophonic. AN-POLY voices, as JW says, are duophonic. Any AWM layers added to the AN voices are fully polyphonic unless the voice is set to be monophonic.

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yamex5
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posted November 12, 2003 01:28 PM     Profile for yamex5   Email yamex5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mykel:
Yeah I figured that the waveforms were just missing, but I'm pretty sure none were included in the file, and the sounds all sound very... different. When I switch them and go back, they sound different again. As I'm sure that was confusing to read, I'll try to rephrase. To start, they sound very analog-y and dont sound like they are using standard EX5 waves, but when i change modes and then go back to them, they sound different than before, as if the EX5 replaced the waves with ones it could find. So it seems that the sounds work by generating what they know the waveform would be, if it were there? I hope I haven't lost you.

Back to what I asked before, even duophonic would be noticeable over monophonic, whereas I've only been able to get them to mono. As for VL, why do they give you the option unfer "VF Mono/Poly" of putting it into poly if it's strictly mono?


Mykel,
Let me take a stab at explaining your confusion. When you select a new synth type, for example AWM, it will begin with a 'default' voice. In the case of AWM, this is the Grand Piano. In the same way, when you select AN, it defaults to a generic analog voice. If you start with one of Da'Cook's AN voices, and switch to AWM, you've defaulted the voice to Grand Piano. When you go back to AWM, it defaults to the generic analog voice, NOT Da'Cook's.
It would be nice if moving from AN to AN-POLY that the first AN would not be defaulted, but unfortunately that was a design decision that Yamaha made. I'm guessing that they didn't want to figure out all the combinations of what could be retained when switching synth modes.

Regarding VL mono/poly, in the manual, the only VL mode is VL + AWM. I've not tested this, but I'd have to guess that the mono/poly refers to the AWM elements only.

Thanks,
Mike


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posted November 12, 2003 03:09 PM     Profile for piper   Email piper     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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...I'd have to guess that the mono/poly refers to the AWM elements only.

Exactly. I was just playing around with AN voices last night.


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Mykel
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posted November 12, 2003 04:17 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you all for clearing out the cobwebs on this issue, I think I've got it all worked out now.
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posted November 12, 2003 04:23 PM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mykel, I've said this many times to new owners, but you really need to read your owners manual. Cover to cover. At least twice. If you don't, you will 1) miss out on a world of cool things that your EX5 can do, and 2) spend countless hours in frustration when you can't figure out how to do simple tasks. After you're done reading the manual cover to cover a couple of times, go to www.yamahasynth.com and follow the links to download pdf versions of the Owners and "Data List" Manuals. Having the electronic pdf copy makes it easy to find things that you remember reading about when you need to go back for future reference.

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posted November 12, 2003 09:17 PM     Profile for yamex5   Email yamex5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mykel:
... Back to what I asked before, even duophonic would be noticeable over monophonic, whereas I've only been able to get them to mono.

Oops, I didn't address this question, so in case you haven't figured this out yet, I think you need to select the second analog voice, even if you select AN Poly. Sort of like when you select AWM, it only defaults to one element.
Mike


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posted November 12, 2003 10:44 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ski:
[QB]Mykel, I've said this many times to new owners, but you really need to read your owners manual. Cover to cover. QB]

The problem is that I don't have an actual hard copy of the manual, unfortunately the auction I won for my ex5 only came with the manual in PDF format. And my eyes get quite strained from reading that for too long. Luckily, the last keyboard I owned (CS6x) was very similar in many of the menus and such, so the learning curve hasn't really been steep at all. There are still some kinks I need to work out, though, if you know what I mean.


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Mykel
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posted November 12, 2003 10:47 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh I forgot, does anyone have an extra manual they wouldnt mind parting with (for a price, of course), or do you think Yamaha would still carry some? I haven't called yet to find out (need to for the issue of O/S anyway) but since the EX5 is discontinued (correct?) I'm guessing they won't have any. Never know until I try, though.
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posted November 13, 2003 12:27 AM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Get the PDF owners manual, then call Yamaha at the phone number in the back of the manual. You can order brand new hard copies of the manuals for a pretty reasonable price - about $25 if I remember correctly (don't quote me on that, though).

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posted November 13, 2003 01:39 PM     Profile for piper   Email piper     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I printed the manual (and a lot of other required EX reading) and put them in a big 3 ring binder.
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posted November 13, 2003 02:03 PM     Profile for yamex5   Email yamex5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by piper:
I printed the manual (and a lot of other required EX reading) and put them in a big 3 ring binder.

Hey, Piper!
I did the same thing, but I did it at work (hope no one from M******a is reading this!)
, but Mykel may not be so fortunate. However Mykel, if you already have a printer, the paper and toner will probably be less than $25. But *definitely* print it out! You can take it to the beach, to the museum, wallpaper your room, ... You get the idea.
Thanks,
Mike

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Mykel
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posted November 13, 2003 03:51 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I think I'm already kind of low on ink, and cartridges for my printer cost about 25 dollars each, but beside that I think I'd rather have the real Yamaha version anyway. I will definately print out the data lists and the EX5 tutorial (still 75 pages in itself).
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posted November 14, 2003 04:45 AM     Profile for yamex5   Email yamex5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mykel:

The problem is that I don't have an actual hard copy of the manual, unfortunately the auction I won for my ex5 only came with the manual in PDF format. And my eyes get quite strained from reading that for too long. ...)

Mykel,
I would say given your situation, just use a larger font. But from my own personal experience, the manual is invaluable. Even so, you will have to read between the lines, but that's difficult without the manual! I can't tell you how much of a struggle it's been with drum voices, and then finding the answer spelled out in the manual ...
Mike


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posted November 14, 2003 10:06 AM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just a word of advice to starving students and composers trying to print scores, manuals, CDs to get their name out to the masses...
http://www.calidad.biz/faqs.asp

Calidad inks refill almost any printer cartridge type and make. A 'colour' trio for my cheap HP printer is regularly $40 from Radio Shack. Calidad is like $10, and is good for TWO fillings! A bit fidgety and messy, and takes about 15min to fill - but when I save $70 from buying 2 cartridges, I pass the time with laughing.

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posted November 14, 2003 10:13 AM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Besides messiness, poor print quality, dirty print heads, and even potential printer damage, the only problem with ALL cheap printer inks is *longevity*. The inks simply don't last that long on paper. Something to consider when printing reference material like manuals, or photos, etc.

The $25 or so cost for a real manual is well worth the money. It's actually probably the cheapest way to go long term.

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