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Topic: running the ex5 through computer speakers
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J. Westwood
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posted November 11, 2003 12:15 AM
Even though computers can sound great playing back EQ'd and mastered WAV's for video games, and MP3's - the EX5 is a pretty 'raw' machine to push through a computer on it's own. I use my computer more as a 'ear to the wall', and it get's a feed through my SP-808, which also goes to my amp and monitors. This way, I can keep the feed at low volumes to the computer, and turn up the amplifier to 'rock the house'. I understand you're a starving student and all, but even a cheap amp from Cash Convertors or Bubba's Used Stereos can help you out until good bucks roll in. If you must be stuck jacking a EX directly into a SB card and what not, I would suggest headphones and/or a headphone junction box if many people are involved. This way you can keep volumes at a minimum to ensure a good recording, which can be improved later with NORMALISE and plugins such as BBE Sonic Maximizer et al.As far as I know, that's the long and short of it?
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adaptus
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posted November 11, 2003 04:00 AM
Dude, where's my power amp? If I understand you correctly, there is no point going through your PC soundcard as there is no "adapter" or program that will boost the level of the signal without clipping the underpowered system, you don't need to (and can't) use the pc as a "digital amp"...you can just use it's (self-powered?) speakers with the proper connectors. The EX5 output (master volume) should not be all the way up, it puts out a very hot signal....start with it at the lowest setting and slowly increase it until just before clipping is heard. If you overdrive the speakers or the soundcard you get clipping which results in annoying distortion. [ November 11, 2003: Message edited by: adaptus ] ____________________ Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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Jim
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posted November 11, 2003 04:11 PM
Hehe, yeah, but I really disagree with you guys, IMHO the EX5 has real presence and good audio - that's what made my ears prick up when I first heard it - and I knew!In fact, it has such a wide range that if I play the Eurodemo demo song through my Spirit and my Musical Fidelities, there is a stage in the song where the cones are moving in and out at about 0.5Hz, almost at DC! I have to kick in the subsonic filter for peace of mind, if not of ear  The real issue here is that most regular audio systems, especially SodBlaster cr*p cards (sorry chaps) are just not up to the range the EX5 can kick out! ____________________ Jim Microsoft browsers are a bit better but still rubbish and leaky, don't tolerate them. Get Firefox now! Run, don't walk! http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
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Mykel
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posted November 12, 2003 10:52 PM
Well, I guess my secret will be out eventually, so here it is: I didn't exactly pay topdollar for my ex5. I didn't want to say much about it since I keep reading about many of us here paying a couple grand for theirs, but by selling my old keyboard, I was able to make back all of what I paid minus about 80 dollars. So for that price, I was able to have the best synth I'll probably ever have the money for. As you can see, forking over 80 dollars is different than 1500 for a keyboard. So unfortunately, for the time being there are no high-quality monitors in my near future. I am thinking about selling my guitar (Fender Toronado deluxe) and Amp (Fender Ultimate Chorus), so if I can manage to do that, monitors or a keyboard amp is definately the next thing on my list. To make sure I have this correct, monitors are best for studio work and an amp would be preferable for live performance, correct? Because I will probably doing a lot of both.
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Ski
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posted November 14, 2003 09:11 AM
Mykel, I'd strongly suggest you educate yourself on the differences between decent studio reference monitors and computer speakers. For starters, computer speakers (and home stereo systems, as well) are *not* made to handle the very wide dynamic range that can come from a keyboard rig. If you're unfamiliar with the term "dynamic range", it simply means "range of amplitude"; in this case, it's the range of voltage coming from the output of your rig, to the input of the preamp. In any case, besides poor quality sound when driving the speakers hard, it is VERY easy to destroy computer speakers (or home stereo speakers) with a keyboard rig. IF you have a very good (i.e. expensive) home stereo amplifier and speakers, and assuming you run all your gear through a mixing board and monitor levels *very* carefully, you can use that home stereo system for a keyboard rig at home. It's still dangerous, though, in that if you have just one slip, you can blow the speakers, or even the amp. I would also never use computer speakers for reference. I haven't seen a computer speaker system yet that has anything approaching a flat frequency response, let alone other qualities (good imaging, fast transient response, etc.) that you want from a studio reference monitor. You don't have to spend a fortune, but at least get yourself a set of the less expensive powered monitors that are made for use with musical instruments and gear. While the inexpensive monitors won't provide the best sound in the world, it will be a lot better than what you currently have, plus you won't risk blowing your computer speakers, plus you'll have a nice little setup that you can easily tote to small gigs. You might even start enjoying the quality sound from your EX5! Don't take my word for it. Go do a little research. ____________________ Ski www.ex5tech.com
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Ski
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posted November 14, 2003 01:11 PM
Mike, I think you're missing my point. I didn't say *anything* specifically about the YST-MS50 speakers; I'm not familiar with them. If they're intended for use with musical instruments, then I'd highly recommend them over computer speakers for the reasons stated in my previous post. If, on the other hand, the YST-MS50's are build and sold as "computer speakers" or "multimedia speakers" (you have to love that catch phrase), then they'd probably wouldn't be much better or worse than Mykel's current Altec Lansing computer speakers.Mykel, if you want to continue using your computer speakers for the EX5, go for it, but I'd highly recommend keeping the EX5's output volume very low in order to protect your computer sound card's preamp and your speakers. ____________________ Ski www.ex5tech.com
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adaptus
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posted November 14, 2003 04:55 PM
I'm going to agree with the EX-perts. IMHO, unless you are making money at it- you really don't need expensive monitors or studio quality power amps for jamming with the EX- only if you want to make tight recordings.I use a secondhand onkyo surround sound receiver with 2 speakers and a sub, that was given to me fo' nuttin'. The heat sinks in this old thing are enormous, but it has discrete amps for each channel. A few years ago this thing would've cost big bucks, these days most people can't give 'em away. Check ebay. [ November 14, 2003: Message edited by: adaptus ] ____________________ Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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yamex5
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posted December 01, 2003 01:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ski: Mike, I think you're missing my point. I didn't say *anything* specifically about the YST-MS50 speakers; I'm not familiar with them. If they're intended for use with musical instruments, then I'd highly recommend them over computer speakers for the reasons stated in my previous post. If, on the other hand, the YST-MS50's are build and sold as "computer speakers" or "multimedia speakers" (you have to love that catch phrase), then they'd probably wouldn't be much better or worse than Mykel's current Altec Lansing computer speakers. ...
Jeez, Ski! Yes, the YST-MS50's were recommeded as a substitute for the (I forget what the original EX5 recommended speakers were), but they are indeed "multimedia" speakers, and really don't sound all that great. It's interesting how the woofer only handles really low frequencies, and there's a big gap in the middle. So I will be looking for something else down the road. But for now, at least, I don't have to keep swapping headphones ... (What is a "decent" entry speaker/monitor sytem? Something new, so I don't have to search on ebay? ) Mike
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Greg
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posted December 04, 2003 08:56 PM
Just my 2 cents.I obainted this advice from the guy I bought my EX from. DO NOT SETTLE FOR LESS, when it comes to speakers. If it takes a year to save for some good monitors, Save, be patient, wait and be more patient. I started with some really good PC speakers and an SB Live card, still use the SB Live and a Yammie mixer, and I thought it sounded good, but took his advice and got a set of Allesis MK II's (saved for a year)and it's like being heaven when you play. You will hear things in the voices that you never heard before. Also, a good compressor is a must if you push the EX to the edge. I'm with Ski 100% on this one. You won't be sorry. One more quicky, these little subtle things you'll hear with good monitors, will also enhance your creativity.  ____________________ Greg http://www.lauriastudios.com EX FOREVER!
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