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Mykel
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posted November 17, 2003 11:50 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I know that some of the Cs6x voices have been recreated for the Ex5, because I've downloaded some soundsets and seen one's I remembered from my beloved first synth. So I was just wondering if anyone has done, or would be willing to do, a soundset of all (or as many as possible) of the cs6x voices. I would be forever indebted to you if you could.
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posted November 19, 2003 10:30 AM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mykel, I don't know where you got any "CS6x sounds for the EX5", because I'm unaware of any. Could you give us a clue?

The EX5 should be capable of emulating most CS6x Voices VERY closely, though. The CS6x shares much of the EX5's AWM engine and ROM samples.

Send me a CS6x, and I'll be happy to clone some of the Voices for you!

[ November 19, 2003: Message edited by: Ski ]

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posted November 20, 2003 12:57 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It will take me some time to find out exactly what soundset I got them from, but ones such as "Wheels" and a couple others (the names are eluding me right now) came directly from the CS6x, if not other Yamaha synths (the only others i think could be a possibilty is the Motif, if Yamaha reused some CS6x sounds on that, which I doubt). I have too much work to do today to investigate, but tomorrow I'll go through and find exactly which ones are from the CS6x.
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posted November 20, 2003 01:08 PM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
'Rythem Wheels' I think you mean Mykel? Yeah, I even got a voice on my OLD SY77 with the same title. Seems to be Yamaha's favorite title?

Think I even have an old 'real' patch from a DX7 for my 'virtual' FM7 called 'Rythem Wheels'?

Oh yeah - and look at Ski trying to score a FREE CS6X out of you! You got ENOUGH gear Ski!

[ November 20, 2003: Message edited by: J. Westwood ]


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posted November 20, 2003 01:16 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yeah I believe it may have been Rhythm Wheels, that sounds right. So I guess the CS6x is not as advanced as I thought it is, if some of its sounds came from the SY77 or the DX7... I know there were a couple others that I had on my CS6x, but they probably came from earlier synths as well. And trust me, if you have an EX5 you don't need a CS6x... It's got good real time control but can't nearly stand up to the sound of the ex5.. I don't regret the decision I've made with the tradeoff, the only reason I ask for a CS6x soundset is because my band used a lot of sounds from that in our songs, and our first show is this December, so if I can't get some of those sounds back, I have to partially rewrite the songs. =/
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posted November 20, 2003 01:42 PM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mykel, if you don't like to program Voices yourself, I'd recommend you start downloading. There are tons of great Voice and Voice/Sample collections on our EX5Tech EXclusive Downloads page, and in the EX5/R/7 files section at AMPFEA (see the links toward the upper left of a forum summary screen). I'd be shocked if you couldn't find something that suits your needs well.

If you tell us specifically what you're looking for, I'm sure a bunch of members would pop in with suggestions of specific Voices, and Voice set to find them in.

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posted November 20, 2003 01:49 PM     Profile for E   Email E     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I don't know if it will be of any use, but I have a CS6X! It still has all the stock voices on it, so give me the names of the voices you used regularly, and I can check them out, and maybe be able to point you to some of the custom EX voice sets that would have similarities.

I'm not much of a programmer, so I doubt I could re-program the EX for every cs6x voice you're looking for. But, the cs6x voice editor would show what some of the programmed parameters are for those voices.

Other than the lack of numerous dedicated knobs and the corresponding scenes, anything the cs6x could do, the EX should be able to handle, if not better.

However, from a performance standpoint, if you were tweaking lots of knobs, using the arpeggiator on/off switch, there are some things the EX won't be able to do like the cs6x.

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Mykel
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posted November 20, 2003 02:41 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Come to think of it, most of what I really need for our show that I can't do on the ex5 was performances, so really a cs6x voice set wouldn't meet that requirement exactly, although it would still be nice to have. I've decided that since the EX5 is such a fatter synth, I'll just find sounds I like more for the leads that I play, because that doesn't mean I have to rewrite anything. The biggest thing I miss about the Cs6x (besides all the realtime control!) is all the awesome preset drum loops that it had in the performances. Question: why is it that the Ex5's performance banks come blank, whereas every other keyboard I've played has performance -presets as well? Are there performance sets available for download just as there are soundsets? What is the easiest way to make a drumloop without SCSI and Flash rom? Thanks.
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posted November 20, 2003 05:53 PM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Performance banks most certainly do *not* come blank from the factory. You or a previous owner must have deleted or overwritten them. Just reload them from the factory diskettes.

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posted November 20, 2003 06:44 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ahh... Well it wasn't me so it must have been the previous owner... Which factory disks should I use? Are there performances on all of them or only some?
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posted November 20, 2003 07:52 PM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I did a whole bunch of 'basic GM patterns' for EX's as well in PATTERN format, that's around here or at AMPFEA? Basic beats and fills ready for Drum Kits in VOICE or PERFORMANCE mode you may find useful? I think there were 30-40 patterns I did of different styles? Load and go.

Good luck!

[ November 20, 2003: Message edited by: J. Westwood ]


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posted November 20, 2003 08:07 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the info J So would I load performances the same way I load voices, by going to disk->file load->voice? or is it ->"song"? or is it synth? What is the difference between "synth all" and "all data"

Also, Since I currently have no working disk dive on my computer, I have to send soundsets tomyself as attachments and then download on my suitemate's computer, so in order to minimize the bother to him, since there are like 14 factory disks, which have performances on them? Do they all? Thanks.


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posted November 20, 2003 10:24 PM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Check the "Disk Mode" section in the owners manual:

Page 260 explains the file types.
Page 261 explains basic steps for disk operation.
Page 263 details the "File Save" routine.
Page 265 details the "File Load" routine.

Regarding the Factory Disks... there are only FOUR factory disks, not fourteen. I'm guessing that you're mixing these up with the "Bonus Disks".

In the owners manual again, take a look at page 25, which explains the usage of the factory disks. Page 27 specifically talks about "Restoring the Factory Set Data" (Voices, Performances, etc.).

All this stuff in the manual comes complete with illustrations of EX5 screen shots, making it pretty easy to follow.

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posted November 20, 2003 11:37 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ski - Thanks for the page references, you really saved me a lot of hunting.

And yep, I was confusing them with the bonus disks hehe


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posted November 21, 2003 09:40 AM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As for the PATTERNS, just load my set from PATTERN in the disk menu. You'll get used to 'extensions' soon with the EX5. But once loaded, you can select a Drum Kit in Voice Mode, go to Pattern and simply press PLAY then. Scroll through all my different patterns, and hopefully find a few you like?

Performace Mode - you'll have to assign a Drum Kit to (preferably) Slot 1, and STORE. Then you can use PATTERN just like you did in Voice Mode. And of course you can add basses, synths, brass, etc. to Performance slots 2-16 as you wish, and build up an 'orchestra'.

Good luck!


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posted November 21, 2003 01:09 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
awesome, thanks a lot for the tips

thanks for wishing me luck, im probably gonna need it!


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posted November 21, 2003 02:00 PM     Profile for Kia   Email Kia     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I hope I wont waffle for ages but I got my EX5 (secondhand) on Tuesday and I am both delighted and worried..
erm.. The synth is lovley.. it sounds so much bigger than my old JV1000.. I frightened the drummer last night playing a trumpet solo using the VL.... when I used the pitch wheel.. soo soo cool.. however.. my worry is about the old chestnut called the "piano".. I can't make my mind up whether I like it or loathe it.. It is sooo subjective.. I have tried playing with some EQ on the insert channels but I cant get rid of the mid sample sustain that never appeared on the JV. I was wondering if there is any tips on setting up some variables to create a good piano.. (no flame wars please) just a word or two of help....

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posted November 21, 2003 03:14 PM     Profile for Ski   Email Ski     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Kia - Congrats on your purchase, and welcome to EX5Tech.

There are lots of free high quality Voice and Voice/Sample sets available here at EX5Tech, and at AMPFEA. Look for the links to our "EXclusive Downloads Page" and "AMPFEA/Samplelibrary EX" toward the upper left of our forum summary screens.

If you'd like a nice piano or two, try my "Simplicity Vol. II" release (at AMPFEA), and my "Ski BOATS" release (here at EX5Tech). I think you'll like them, and if not, there are others you can download as well. Don't miss the fact that almost all of my Voices have a full complement of controller routings, and I believe almost all my Piano Voices have two or three knobs dedicated to EQ, i.e. the Voices are very "tweakable" with the controls.

Here is a direct link to the download page for my "Simplicity Vol. II":
http://www.ampfea.org/files.php?com=i_view&type=11&t=829

And here's the link to our "EXclusive Downloads Page" where you can find "Ski BOATS":
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=download_page


In the future, with a question like this, I'd recommend starting a NEW topic here in the "Voices/Samples" forum, and calling it something like "Pianos on the EX5". I think that will get you many more responses than posting the question as a REPLY in a "CS6x Voices" topic. Make sense?

BTW, I just love the mental image of a drummer being scared by the VL trumpet!

[ November 21, 2003: Message edited by: Ski ]

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posted November 21, 2003 03:55 PM     Profile for E   Email E     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, drummers are usually the source of the scare! When you're setting up, they're banging away...nothing like throwing out your back because right when you're lifting out your keyboard, they just just gotta make sure the cymbal still sounds after transport. Scarier still are the tempo changes

I did an outdoor wedding reception during the summer...we played almost the whole gig without knowing I wasn't in the house. The second to last song, Power of Love, 1...2..1..2..3.....I hit the right chords, we heard a slight anny-brass stab, but it wasn't coming throuhg the house. Turns out the band heard my amp/monitor, so we thought all was well. During sound check, my rig had a buzz, so just after sound check I was placed in different channels at the snake...buzz gone...little did he know it was because my entire signal was gone! It turned out the channels I had been plugged into weren't plugged into the mixer, they had been unplugged to make way for some 1/4's used on a previous gig for something else..........

bummer is, I'm the backup keys (main guy is related), and I haven't been called since, even though it wasn't my fault!

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posted November 21, 2003 04:58 PM     Profile for Kia   Email Kia     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey There.. thanx for the heads up.. I did download your pianos and I really did like them.. In fact I used them at the practice when I made the drummer fall off his drumstool. I think your right about the new thread.. problem is.. there is no right and wrong to a piano sound.. it either works or doesn't. If I am honest, it may be that I am so used (13 years or so) of Roland Piano that the sheer width of the EX Piano (especially yours) just doesn't compute (hope this makes sense).. Actually, I will admit to being a drummer who owns a fully expanded V-Drum Kit.. anyone fancy sampling that beast will need more than a SCSI port to get all 1200 drum samples offers welcome

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posted November 21, 2003 06:48 PM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, the EX Piano's are 'debateable' to say the least. Ski, Gody'n, myself and many other members have taken stabs at improving the internal AWM piano voices. Ski and all have done well IMHO, and the EX pianos are good for banging a few chords in the background or upfront for a few measures or so. But if you're doing Tori Amos or Billy Joel type solo piano things, I strongly advise you check out the VR Sounds EX5 Piano CD-ROM. It's 5-6 actual sampled Bossendorfer's, Steinways, and Baldwin pianos I believe? (Wait a minute, I can reach over and get the CD right here...)
Hey, I was right! But this CD-ROM really turns the EX into a 'full controlled piano'.
The load is HUGE! (64MB?) - so make sure you get lots of RAM. And make sure you start loading it about 3 hours before the show. (Good ol' SCSI ain't to fast you see - takes actually about 45min)

I'm not a 'piano man' per say, but I think anyone who is would find it hard to find fault with VR Sounds VREX5.Pianos.
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posted November 21, 2003 07:16 PM     Profile for Kia   Email Kia     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well JW, I think I will try and end the "piano" thread here since I might end up on a Piano soap box ... I think 45 mins is just a little too long to be practicable to load what I can imagine to be a "perfect piano".I should be more honest and put it down to Psychoacoustics and perseption and a more than a little personal taste. I am going to use the excellent material already published by Ski et al and make the most out of it. I guess the piano debate should always come down to whether some "no cares" Joe Q Public gives a rats chuff whether a piano sounds bright or dull or loud or pants (english'ism".. when your playing it at a gig or concert.. to be honest.. the number of times when someone has come up to me and said.. hey, that sounded great.. or wow, you ARE Richard clayderman (?).. I cant recall someone saying.. jeez, your sustain is a little crap.. maybe you should rework your samples in the envelope and add a little compression.. If my mum said that to me, I would fall over us English !!! huh Picky Picky Picky.. I think I WILL GET BACK TO THAT AN Bass sound I was working on earlier.. Thanx anyway JW.. strange how I have answered my own question by typing drivel..

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posted November 21, 2003 08:20 PM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes, the Ex's aren't 'that bad' - a few of the octave transitions are irksome. But like you say - with an AN bass, and arpeggio's and brass sounds, who's anal enough to say 'Wait, wait, wait! That E note in the piano chord sounds different than the G and B! What rubbish and bullocks! '

If you want a piano to play Liberace 'realistically'... Better use a REAL piano then! (And a candlabra wouldn't hurt either!)


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posted November 23, 2003 06:12 PM     Profile for bigred   Author's Homepage   Email bigred     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi i,m bigred i need to know where I can
find some floppy sound disks for my ex5.
Please reply soon!

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posted November 23, 2003 07:15 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You mean, for sale? because there are several soundsets available for FREE download that will fit onto a floppy disk, as well as hundreds over at www.ampfea.org. Some require that you have additional ram installed to use (and subsequently wont fit onto a floppy anyway), but I'd say at least half of them (probably more) will fit onto one floppy disk.

Don't pay when you can play!(for free).


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posted November 23, 2003 07:16 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
that should say... for FREE download here at EX5tech.com, as well as at ampfea.
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posted November 23, 2003 08:02 PM     Profile for J. Westwood   Email J. Westwood     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's the spirit Mykel!
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posted November 24, 2003 01:39 PM     Profile for Mykel   Email Mykel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hehe, it feels good to answer some questions instead of always asking them!
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posted January 10, 2004 02:01 AM     Profile for fluxburn   Email fluxburn     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You should try making patches (ie sounds). Once you get it down, it is really fun. My probelm is I make all the controllers control psycho stuff like the lfo awm speed or something nuts and dial in values to push the ex5 to its true potienal. The only probelm is those sounds are all crazy and good for sound design or whatever, but I need to mellow out and right more chill sounds lol.
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posted January 10, 2004 07:59 AM     Profile for yamex5   Email yamex5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Fluxburn,
Although the subject of what we do with controllers is tangental to this thread, you raise an interesting topic. It seems that the philosophy at this site is for the patches to have the controllers programmed fully as possible (that may be a more general attitude, I just don't know).
My feeling is that if the patch 'demands' some type of control, I will add it, but anything other than that, I don't touch. I like to assume that the end user will adjust the controllers for what they want to do. After all, do I really know if user X wants the filter cutoff controlled by a triangle on LFO2 at 15Hz using MW1 instead of the number of repeats from the reverb delay?
I'd rather put my time into the 'Base' sounds and let others tailor the sounds as they need them for performance.
But that's just me ...

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posted January 10, 2004 07:28 PM     Profile for leethal   Email leethal     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just wanna bring back the Issue of the EX Piano just for a Second.

I used ALOT of Piano in my last Road Gig, and I gotta tell ya, Ski's Piano Patches where the Best OUT There PERIOD!!

To give ya a idea, My rig has a Korg Karma, a Triton Studio, a K2600, and outta all that the EX (with Ski's "Skiano" Loaded in) Beat the Piano on all of them. we Actually had a Real Piano on stage also and I STILL had to play the Damn Parts, cause the EX sounded so much Better (of Cause, our Soundman Liked mixing that instead of a Mic'ed Piano Too... The Lazy Slob!!! )

I'm not much of a Sound Programer Myself. Unlike someone like MarcE, I can't seem to Bulid a Patch from Scrath and come up with Something REALLY COOL!

My Sounds tend to be "Tweeked" verisons of Patches I've Downloaded (Mostly from Here ) and just fit them to more of what I need. But I've Spent Many a Fun Hours, coming up with Weird/Funny Soundcapes and Annoying the Old Folks Next Door with them


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